Indecent Proposal
So, ok... so over the years I've watched many friends get engaged and I have silently noticed a distorted phenomenon in regards to the ever anticipated and overly emphasized marriage proposal. But I will be silent no more... something needs to be said! I think more than anything else... proposals have morphed into "ring presentation ceremonies." For instance, a couple will decide to get married through several preempted conversations. But ohhhh wait... it's not over yet. Then a man is forced to "propose," because the woman wants a romantic story to tell her friends, even though the decision is already made and the answer known. So this becomes a huge extravaganza: for instance a friend recently went over to his girlfriend's (but really... fiancee's) house in the morning, told her it was "the day"... sent her to a day spa, then picked her up and took her to a spot up the canyon where he had a generator, rose petals everywhere, twinkly lights, dinner, and iPod playing all the songs they loved. Or with some of my other friends, there is the ever popular recreation of the first date... for instance fireworks going off illegally in a park in December to simulate the 4th of July. While this sounds romantic... don't be fooled, I think the meaning of romance is slightly lost here.
First, let's talk about romance. Romance is getting caught up in a meaningful moment with someone. Some people try to simulate romantic emotion through well known "methods"... but where did these methods come from? They came from couples sharing meaningful moments together and then sharing that story. Moments became romantic because of the meaning behind it... not because it was generated... but truly felt. Thus, for a girl like me, most contrived romance attempts fail.
When I was proposed to awhile ago, it was a similar situation as other friends I've described above... and while things were all playing out, I couldn't help but think how cheesy it all was. Rose petals, candles, tiaras? I think I even tried to make myself cry because I always wanted to cry during my proposal... but that wasn't the emotion I was feeling in the moment. I was just trying to focus on not getting weird tingles from all the cheesiness. My roommates and I all agree... it is playing on generated emotions, not organic emotions. It's was a ring presentation ceremony... I mean if that's really what it is... might as well whip out the projector and pull a Michael Scott showing the "people of Scranton"... or the moments of the relationship PowerPoint. Cheese!
But so many engaged or married people I have talked to have said that it is nearly impossible for a Mormon to be engaged by surprise. But why? My guy friends have all said that they don't want to propose unless they know that the girl is going to marry them, or that they both know that it is right. What? Where is the moxie? I say (to the guys), if you decide you love her and want to marry her, ask! This doesn't mean that you can't have a conversation about the future to gauge how she might respond, but I would leave the details of praying about it to the individual, since each has to make a separate decision. If a man wants to marry a girl, that's when he should ask, ring or no ring.
My roommate had a friend who had the following proposal story, which will serve as an good example: Her roommate and this guy had been dating awhile. She knew she loved him, but he had never said that he loved her... he pulled away for about two weeks, and left to go to Texas and think about things. She was crying a lot, because she didn't know what was going on. He came back and arranged for a substitute teacher to take her class, and picked her up, took her snowmobiling, and found a overlook... and just started talking to her about what he was thinking and where he had been... and then told her that he loved her and pulled out a ring and proposed. That my friends is truly romantic!! All tears real...
But since I'm going to be marrying a real man with chutzpa, this blog is really for him... so that he won't have to consult me on any of the details. :) And hey, if you can really surprise me, I'll probably say yes. So here are the details:
Lindsey A
Jessika W
First, let's talk about romance. Romance is getting caught up in a meaningful moment with someone. Some people try to simulate romantic emotion through well known "methods"... but where did these methods come from? They came from couples sharing meaningful moments together and then sharing that story. Moments became romantic because of the meaning behind it... not because it was generated... but truly felt. Thus, for a girl like me, most contrived romance attempts fail.
When I was proposed to awhile ago, it was a similar situation as other friends I've described above... and while things were all playing out, I couldn't help but think how cheesy it all was. Rose petals, candles, tiaras? I think I even tried to make myself cry because I always wanted to cry during my proposal... but that wasn't the emotion I was feeling in the moment. I was just trying to focus on not getting weird tingles from all the cheesiness. My roommates and I all agree... it is playing on generated emotions, not organic emotions. It's was a ring presentation ceremony... I mean if that's really what it is... might as well whip out the projector and pull a Michael Scott showing the "people of Scranton"... or the moments of the relationship PowerPoint. Cheese!
But so many engaged or married people I have talked to have said that it is nearly impossible for a Mormon to be engaged by surprise. But why? My guy friends have all said that they don't want to propose unless they know that the girl is going to marry them, or that they both know that it is right. What? Where is the moxie? I say (to the guys), if you decide you love her and want to marry her, ask! This doesn't mean that you can't have a conversation about the future to gauge how she might respond, but I would leave the details of praying about it to the individual, since each has to make a separate decision. If a man wants to marry a girl, that's when he should ask, ring or no ring.
My roommate had a friend who had the following proposal story, which will serve as an good example: Her roommate and this guy had been dating awhile. She knew she loved him, but he had never said that he loved her... he pulled away for about two weeks, and left to go to Texas and think about things. She was crying a lot, because she didn't know what was going on. He came back and arranged for a substitute teacher to take her class, and picked her up, took her snowmobiling, and found a overlook... and just started talking to her about what he was thinking and where he had been... and then told her that he loved her and pulled out a ring and proposed. That my friends is truly romantic!! All tears real...
But since I'm going to be marrying a real man with chutzpa, this blog is really for him... so that he won't have to consult me on any of the details. :) And hey, if you can really surprise me, I'll probably say yes. So here are the details:
- Ring- 1 carat solitaire (the rest you can decide), or a vintage ring that has a story.
- Proposal- private, not public
- Make it natural... apart of something we would already love to do.
Lindsey A
- Ring- Vintage looking ring, not trendy, no gaudiness... consult me for the details.
- Proposal- Private, not public
- Permission from father first
- Ring- Simple, no floofiness on the band... it could have more than one diamond but it would have to be on the side, and she doesn't want it to be a ring that catches on things or gives her blisters.
- Proposal- Private, not public.
- Permission from father first
Jessika W
- Ring- Halo ring with princess cut diamond (the halo makes the diamond look bigger!), or if we’re on a budget just get me an anniversary band with princess cut diamonds and two simple bands to go on either side of it.
- Proposal- Private –while we’re snowshoeing, hiking, picnicking, stargazing, etc.
- No permission necessary! My mom will already know about you and approve of you even if she hasn’t met you and my dad doesn’t really play a big part in my life.


Comments
And I'm totally with you on the opinion of just asking out of the blue even if you don't have a ring - and no huge fanfare for the asking either!
jeremy and i were so naive, we had no idea about how we wanted to go about anything. so his "premeditated proposal" (just the way you said in your post) ended up being a joke--the wind kept blowing out the candles, it started raining, and all the kids from seminary graduation came out from the stake center across the street when jer was on his knee. it was a nightmare :o) it should have been some indicator to me then what a wild ride we were getting on...
in the same breath, just like we were able to laugh our heads off about the whole evening and move on anyway, we've been able to do that these last 10 years. if you just know it's not going to be anything like what you've planned, and you can laugh together, and move on together... there you go.
When sex isn't a big thing, you just do it and live a sort-of married lifestyle with your guy/girl. There is nothing to talk about because sex and living together doesn't equal marriage.
If I could do it all again I wouldn't make him surprise me with a ring, or do a formal proposal. In fact, even though I love my ring, I'd totally go buy it with him, then celebrate with a big night out or something.
The man I am dating came to me, after a 6-week "hiatus" and courted me for about 3 weeks. One random Saturday afternoon, an hour before I was getting ready to go out with someone else (I had to keep my options open because this man had broken up with me and had not yet indicated he wanted exclusivity), he invited me to the condo I'd been helping him prep for sale to see the new carpet. He picked me up and wrestled me and then gave me a big kiss and told me he loved me and he wanted to marry me. I cried - tears of joy and bliss. But was that the proposal? Somehow, no. Will we get married? Most likely. Will there be a "ring presentation ceremony?" Well...he's already made his intention clear and I've already said it wasn't a bad idea. So...now I just wait...the only surprise comes when he actually presents the ring. But if he DARES to do it in public or in some overly cheesy manner, I may need some anti-nausea medicine to keep me sane:-) And, of course, he must have asked Daddy-o.
GREAT post! Sorry for the obnoxiously long comment, but I totally take this post to heart!